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SotiCoto · Oct 31, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

So.... excuse my really stupid question...

But what is all this stuff about Mallyx and "Ursanway"?
And heroes?

Is it two people using Ursan Blessing and a mob of heroes..... or a full team of 8 people or so using Ursan Blessing in Unison? o_0;

And exactly how useful can Ursan Blessing even be considered without a high Norn title?

sassoonssamson · Oct 31, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

its just a PVE skill doesnt so its okay

Blonde Warrior · Oct 31, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

I don't understand why so many people are whining about this skill, if you think its overpowered don't use it? I can see this skill getting nerfed soon because of all the whiners once again.

Free Wind · Oct 31, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Is it two people using Ursan Blessing and a mob of heroes..... or a full team of 8 people or so using Ursan Blessing in Unison? o_0;
And exactly how useful can Ursan Blessing even be considered without a high Norn title?

It's three people with Ursan and 5 heroes killing Mallyx
It's two people and 6 heroes making The Four Horsemen quest a joke
It's two people with Ursan and 6 heroes killing Duncan HM
It's 3 people with 9 heroes finishing Urgoz in 1-2 hours
It's even more then that

And all you need it rank 4-5 in norm, no real need to max it.
And yes, the higher the rank and the more people with that one skill on their bar the more careless the more leeroy-jenkins style you can play

Free Wind · Oct 31, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

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Originally Posted by strcpy

If not UB then something else - really this has been there from the beginning and will continue to be there till the end. It is more a community issue than a technical one.

Well, when ANET finally realised that the only axe elite used in PvP was Eviscerate they nerfed it (not sure if it changed anything though). They also came up with a decent sword elite (Dragon Slash and this one is definately used). Eviscerate wasn't overpowered, it was simply 'the best'. Now its just only 'very good'
As you can see, this was done not for the balance but for the diversity

Now compare Ursan Blessing with other 'Form' Blessing skills.. and ask yourself - if you run of of them, what will you run?

Lady Ana Stacia · Oct 31, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

Honestly my husband and I are thinking of rounding up a couple friends and completing DoA using Ursanway only to get them out of the way. Been there done that and not inclined to keep doing it old school with all my charactors.

DoA is just to time consuming, cookie cutter and not worth it in the long run.

As for everywhere else I much prefer a strategic build that hubby and I can come up with our hero's. To each his own tho, if people wanna play it constantly more power to them, it doesn't effect myself or those I play with.

DarkGanni · Oct 31, 2007, 11:33 AM // 11:33

A good skill that will be turned down by the community itself....sad if you ask me.

cebalrai · Oct 31, 2007, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Ursan blessing is a horrible departure from what Anet is supposedly going for.

A game of skill? UB is so overpowered that players can just spam the same one or two skills and kill just about anything very quickly.

A game of strategy through builds and team composition? UB is the same build, all the time. For everyone.

Using UB with 7 h/h is one sort of overpowered thing. Grouping where half the party (or more) has it is insane. I was in a group where 5 people were running Ursan blessing in FoW. Monsters died so incredibly fast that half the time my target exploded before I could even finish that Ursan skill. We didn't have to pull, we didn't have to play smart, and our monks had very little to do since monsters died before they could hurt us. We actually only needed one monk. The other monk might as well have been running UB as well.

cebalrai · Oct 31, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by Blonde Warrior

I don't understand why so many people are whining about this skill, if you think its overpowered don't use it? I can see this skill getting nerfed soon because of all the whiners once again.

Because when I join a group (PUG or otherwise), a large percentage of people use Ursan Blessing. So if I'm not using it as well, what does that mean? It means I don't contribute much to the team. It means I end up cheerleading for the UB players. It means my build becomes stupid, weak, and useless, relatively speaking.

snikerz · Oct 31, 2007, 12:04 PM // 12:04

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

A good skill that will be turned down by the community itself....sad if you ask me.

QFT, the mods closed the last thread, but yet again someone starts another one up yet with another whinge about UB, it only takes 20 or so ppl to voice their opinion about something, and you can bet ANet are watching, with the next update they go and nerf it.

The Norn are all about how powerful the Bear is, and yes i admit the Bear is strong, but only for it's strength to be taken away by our community is just sad.

Well i'm here to save the bear.

Whos with me?

Save the bear.
Save the bear.

cebalrai · Oct 31, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by snikerz

QFT, the mods closed the last thread, but yet again someone starts another one up yet with another whinge about UB, it only takes 20 or so ppl to voice their opinion about something, and you can bet ANet are watching, with the next update they go and nerf it.

The Norn are all about how powerful the Bear is, and yes i admit the Bear is strong, but only for it's strength to be taken away by our community is just sad.

Well i'm here to save the bear.

Whos with me?

Save the bear.
Save the bear.

People can be three-year Guild Wars vets with massive experience and excellent builds, and they're now weaker than a group of bewildered noobie spammers.

WHY ON EARTH is this okay with people???

snikerz · Oct 31, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

People can be three-year Guild Wars vets with massive experience and excellent builds, and they're now weaker than a group of bewildered noobie spammers.

WHY ON EARTH is this okay with people???

but we are Norn, we do not need "massive experience" and "excelent builds", we do it our own way for we are Norn, all hail the Bear.

SotiCoto · Oct 31, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by snikerz

Save the bear.
Save the bear.

I'll back you up on this one!
SAVE FRIEND BEAR!
SAVE FRIEND BEAR!

Those who want to use the skill to make the game simple and overpowered..... can do so.
Those who want to use proper skills to play the game more creatively..... can also do so.

The Power (of choice) is Yours!

cebalrai · Oct 31, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I'll back you up on this one!
SAVE FRIEND BEAR!
SAVE FRIEND BEAR!

Those who want to use the skill to make the game simple and overpowered..... can do so.
Those who want to use proper skills to play the game more creatively..... can also do so.

The Power (of choice) is Yours!

Okay explain to me how peple have the power to choose what builds others in one's group are using. And don't say that a person just shouldn't group with anyone using UB. It's extremely common and groups are hard to find.

Darkobra · Oct 31, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I'd definitely choose my earth build over Ursan Blessing any day. A game's about having fun. If people have fun with Ursan, who am I to condemn them? It's a PvE only skill. No harm can come from it.

SotiCoto · Oct 31, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Okay explain to me how peple have the power to choose what builds others in one's group are using. And don't say that a person just shouldn't group with anyone using UB. It's extremely common and groups are hard to find.

Herohench! =P

Or Guildies.
Or Friends-listers.
Or just ask and see if anyone in the area is NOT using Ursan Blessing.

The options are there.
And besides... why should you care so much what THEY are using? Shouldn't you be focused on what YOU are doing more?

Kyp Jade · Oct 31, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Imbalances in pve are worse for the game actually than in pvp, since the community for pve is so much larger, and dont even try to kid yourself that imbalances anywhere dont have a negative effect.

Darkobra · Oct 31, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

I'll be sure to let you know when Koss complains about my Air of Superiority.

cebalrai · Oct 31, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Herohench! =P

Or Guildies.
Or Friends-listers.
Or just ask and see if anyone in the area is NOT using Ursan Blessing.

The options are there.
And besides... why should you care so much what THEY are using? Shouldn't you be focused on what YOU are doing more?

Guildies, friends-listers, and pugs alike all use UB regularly. As time goes on and people have higher Norn ranks, it's being used increasingly. I expect this trend to continue. Soon it will be common to see r 7-9 Norn people using UB.

And like I said, yes I care about what they're doing. Because if a large chunk of my group is using AB and I'm not, I end up playing the weakling with little to contribute.

SotiCoto · Oct 31, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

Imbalances in pve are worse for the game actually than in pvp, since the community for pve is so much larger, and dont even try to kid yourself that imbalances anywhere dont have a negative effect.

From what I can tell.... A-Net unfortunately agrees with you.

On the flipside, I believe people should basically be allowed to play as they want to play as long as it doesn't directly influence the experience of other people.
And no... it doesn't. What you need to remember is that just because most people doing a particular mission or quest end up being Ursan Blessing users doesn't mean they'd still be there trying to do it with ordinary skills otherwise. You're not necessarily losing anything NOR gaining anything by their presence.

But then people like you come along and QQ about the way OTHER people play the game because you don't want to play that way..... and A-Net make changes.

Unjust? I think so.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Guildies, friends-listers, and pugs alike all use UB regularly. As time goes on and people have higher Norn ranks, it's being used increasingly. I expect this trend to continue. Soon it will be common to see r 7-9 Norn people using UB.

And like I said, yes I care about what they're doing. Because if a large chunk of my group is using AB and I'm not, I end up playing the weakling with little to contribute.

And therefore the only remaining difference between Guild Wars and the real world is that Guild Wars gives you the choice. In the real world it isn't always an option to betray your principles and get rich from it....
If your Guildies are using it too extensively.... perhaps you should ask them whether they'd be willing to do a few things with you WITHOUT bringing Ursan Blessing.

And for what it is worth.... I don't use Ursan Blessing, and there are still plenty of others likewise who don't use it out there.